tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post115157363565838912..comments2023-09-07T06:06:05.985-04:00Comments on The Inner Voice of the CrazyComposer: Peace Process, or Not ...Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14917517595461617547noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post-9516699012679046932007-12-08T11:18:00.000-05:002007-12-08T11:18:00.000-05:00And what do you think of Obadiah Shoher's argument...And what do you think of Obadiah Shoher's arguments against the peace process ( samsonblinded.org/blog/we-need-a-respite-from-peace.htm )?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post-1152509910538001122006-07-10T01:38:00.000-04:002006-07-10T01:38:00.000-04:00Thank you, Osaid, for your very generous comment. ...Thank you, Osaid, for your very generous comment. I've read (through DeasertPeace's link) your Palestine vs. Israel blog and appreciate your efforts there as well - keep up the struggle!<BR/><BR/>Shalom, Salam, Peace!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917517595461617547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post-1152503101706724012006-07-09T23:45:00.000-04:002006-07-09T23:45:00.000-04:00That is surely a great post.good work !!!good day:...That is surely a great post.<BR/>good work !!!<BR/><BR/>good day:)Osaid Rasheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15940711814071530561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post-1151964802996486902006-07-03T18:13:00.000-04:002006-07-03T18:13:00.000-04:00Steven,I do not doubt for a minute that there are ...Steven,<BR/><BR/>I do not doubt for a minute that there are a vast number of Israeli’s that fervently desire peace, and that is one of the few reasons why I allow myself to maintain some semblance of hope for the future of that area. However, the desires of some notwithstanding, you cannot put all of the weight of the actions taken by the Israeli government (and the IDF) as “cause/effect” of the Palestinian’s actions over the years.<BR/><BR/>There is a long history of terrorism in the area, this is something that cannot be denied, but at the same time, when Israeli soldiers fire live rounds (full-metal jacket) at kids who are throwing rocks at them, the question of “proportional response” must be raised. Israel does not use proportional response when it comes to the “defence” of the Holy Land; Israel practices a policy of military escalation whenever they face a lesser-equipped force.<BR/><BR/>>1) In 1947 Israel accepted the partition plan<BR/>Yes, the “Partitioning of Palestine” was originally accepted, with a portion of land being set aside as the homeland for the Palestinians, and the city of Jerusalem existing as an internationally administered zone (which would have included Bethlehem). Then the plan was rejected as something that both sides couldn’t accept, and the British decided to implement their unilateral withdrawal in 1948.<BR/><BR/>>2) In 1964 the definition of Palestine was the borders of Israel<BR/>No, in 1964 the definition of Palestine was what it has always been (a mistranslation of the word “Philistia”). The borders of the land, however, were that which was described as the land being promised to the children of Israel, when Moses was told of the “promised land” (and what was to be done once there). The borders never changed.<BR/><BR/>>3) In 1967 Israel was faced with another war and survived a genocidal attack. Immediately after, Israel offered all the land it captured back to the Arabs in exchange for nothing but peace... that is the first time anything like that has happened in the history of warfare... The Arabs refused.<BR/><BR/>Israel didn’t exactly “offer” out of the “goodwill of their hearts”, it was with the pressure of having their international aid suspended, though after they had humiliated their better equipped enemy in battle. “In exchange for nothing but peace” – I don’t know, peace sounds like a pretty good dividend … are you saying they didn’t want peace?<BR/><BR/>>4) Resolution 242 told Israel to leave Judea and Samarra<BR/>GOOD! What, is Israel now saying they need “breathing room” – I certainly hope not!<BR/> <BR/>>5) In 1968 the PLO changed the definition of Palestine to include Judea and Samarra.<BR/>Yes, but we all know that the PLO doesn’t represent ALL Palestinians, just as Israel doesn’t represent ALL Jews. So what? These are, as they say, straw man arguments. They don’t make any points but to make noise.<BR/>>6) Israel offered to exchange the land captured in the 67 war to the PLO in exchange for peace... over 95% of the land was offered and the PLO refused without even a counter offer - then launched the intifada.<BR/>Ah, but you said that the land was offered for nothing, but peace … so, which is it? You can’t have it both ways. The fact that the PLO refused is a statement about their character, not that of the Israeli government which has continued its violent, oppressive treatment of the citizens of the land (and I will use the term citizen to include ALL within the borders).<BR/><BR/>If that sounds harsh, so be it, but you are asking us to compare an avowed terrorist organization with an elected government – I would expect that one would be more just in its dealings with people than the other, and I’m not surprised when the other strikes out like a serpent.<BR/><BR/>Now the question becomes, which is which?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917517595461617547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post-1151603481815292682006-06-29T13:51:00.000-04:002006-06-29T13:51:00.000-04:00Thank you, DP and Renegade, your comments are grea...Thank you, DP and Renegade, your comments are greatly appreciated. Writing this was a great amount of work, but in the end (having stayed up all night to finish it) I wasn't tired - I felt energized from having finished something that felt worthwhile. Your comments confirm that the time I spent working on this wasn't time wasted. That is great encouragement to continue in this vein.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917517595461617547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571516.post-1151595752046785272006-06-29T11:42:00.000-04:002006-06-29T11:42:00.000-04:00I found this blog at your Dad's.I thoought your po...I found this blog at your Dad's.<BR/><BR/>I thoought your post was brilliant, particularly that I'm an anti-Zionist Jew. I believe in a secular socialist Israel.<BR/><BR/>Brilliant, well written post.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.com